Leonard E. White is a neuroscientist, an educator and a scholar at Duke University with growing interest in the emerging dialogues between science/medicine and art, hu-manities and disability studies. His research has been published in top scientific journals and he is co-author of a digital atlas of the human brain (Sylvius) and co-editor and co-author of a leading textbook in the field (Neuroscience, Sinauer Assoc., Inc.). Marina Tsaplina is an interdisciplinary eco-puppetry artist and writer with a focus on anti-colonial and anti-ableist thought, research and practice. She is currently an artist-in-resident at Henry Ford Health, working with Dr. Rana Awdish to advance puppetry training in medicine to nurture embodied care. They met when Marina was in residency at Duke University between 2017 – 2020. Nick Chronbach recommended that we submit our work for a LASER talk for our recently accepted publication, POROUS EMBODIMENT AND POETIC KNOWLEDGE: AN EMERGENT DIALOGUE BETWEEN A PUPPETRY ARTIST AND A NEUROSCIENTIST. Our publica-tion grows from a series of conversations during the Spring/Summer of 2021 and 2024.